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Patriot Act Supporters Afraid

Fri May 27, 2005 at 11:05:59 AM PDT

I don't know how else to characterize the decision of the Senate  Select Committee on Intelligence to close yesterday's hearing to the public, after having an open hearing on Monday.
Monday's hearing was open, but openness exposes committee members' differences, and apparently, for Pat Roberts and others, public scrutiny of differences over civil liberties is not desired.

We need to ask Pat Roberts, and committee members, exactly what they are afraid of.

Perhaps they are afraid to reveal there has been "little progress" in resolving committee member differences over the erosion of civil liberties.

At least one committee member, though, isn't afraid to speak out after yesterday's closed hearing:

"You can fight terrorism ferociously without throwing people's rights in the trash can," Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon and a member of the committee, said after emerging from the meeting.

The ACLU has condemned the decision to close the hearing.

The American Civil Liberties Union denounced today's closed-door votes by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence of legislation designed to reauthorize - and expand - the Patriot Act. Included in the committee's deliberations are proposals to make the Patriot Act's most controversial provisions permanent, and to expand it by allowing FBI agents issue their own search orders with no advance court approval.

"These are proposals that demand a full, vigorous and public debate and vote, not secret meetings," said Lisa Graves, ACLU Senior Counsel for Legislative Strategy. "If adopted, these broad new powers would sidestep time-honored checks and balances. Lawmakers should reject this reckless disregard for the Fourth Amendment."

What is at stake here, is the expansion of FBI powers, and the further erosion of civil liberties in this country. Again, from the ACLU:

The bill would grant so-called "administrative subpoena" authority to the FBI, letting the bureau write and approve its own search orders, without judicial approval in advance, for any tangible thing it deems relevant to an intelligence investigation. This power would let agents seize personal records from medical facilities, libraries, hotels, gun dealers, banks and any other businesses, without having to appear before a judge, and without any evidence that the people whose records are swept in are involved in any criminal activity. Such a move would grossly undermine the Fourth Amendment's protections against unreasonable searches and seizures.

We need to demand from the committee members open hearings in full view of citizen scrutiny. Anything less than this, is a violation of the spririt of our democracy.

And, it is the fourth amendment that is at stake, with this proposed expansion of FBI powers.

And no, I don't see this as a repeat diary. I intend to post one each day after the committee meets on this vital subject.

 

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  •  I'm happy to learn that... (none / 0)

    ...Ron Wyden is on the committee, especially because of the internet surveillance clause they're trying to add.
  •  Related diary: last night (none / 1)

    Practical considerations for dealing with a visit from the Feds

    When they knock on your front door...

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    by ben masel on Fri May 27, 2005 at 11:11:40 AM PDT

  •  Agreed with this: (none / 0)

    And no, I don't see this as a repeat diary. I intend to post one each day after the committee meets on this vital subject.

    Original analysis is never a repeat

  •  Police Powers (none / 0)

    I think Senator Roberts would be fully supportive of this:

    Senate News: The U.S. Senate was asked to curtail the Patriot Act and its looser police rules. Under the consent warrant, one cop knocks on your front door while another cop runs around to your back door and yells, come in!

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    by dweb8231 on Fri May 27, 2005 at 11:13:25 AM PDT

  •  Ironic (none / 0)

    So we're not allowed to pry into the discussion of the Patriot Act, an Act which allows the government to pry into our business?

    Yeah.  That's consistent.

  •  Let's see - laws made in secret giving secret (4.00 / 3)

    powers to secret agents who enforce them in secret, using secret evidence and detaining their victims in secret locations while imposing secret punishments. If it wasn't for all the secrecy that protects us, why, we'd be in deep doo-doo, wouldn't we?

    The secret answer to the secret question is hidden in a secret location - answer the question or you'll be rendered to the nearest secret installation for secret punishment.

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    by skrymir on Fri May 27, 2005 at 11:20:25 AM PDT

  •  Taking heat? (none / 1)

    I called Senator Roberts' office to ask for the Senator's explanation for holding closed meetings on this.  They sounded quite defensive about the decision to hold a closed session, and the volunteer I spoke with told me "all future meetings will be open; the senator is committed to this."

    Yeah, right.  At least by calling and asking for an explanation it brings it up on their radar.

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    by imatlas on Fri May 27, 2005 at 11:32:06 AM PDT

  •  Trust us we're from the FBI (none / 0)

    All I can say is if this abomination is passed, I hope some federal judge has the balls to over turn it in the first test case that can be had. That is of course, if the subject of the unconstitutional warrant isn't spirited off to a "torture friendly" regime someplace for a little "softening up".

    I posted about this yesterday on my blog here:
    http://www.bertoncini.net/blog/

    Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. --Thomas Jefferson

    by sonnyb on Fri May 27, 2005 at 11:40:25 AM PDT

  •  Feinstein (none / 0)

    My non-Boxer senator is on that committee. I just fired off an angry email telling her to kill the act and to do it in the open. I didn't save it (I had to send it through her website) or else I'd post it.

    I soooooo wish someone would run against her besides a wingnut every 6 years. Boxer, I can happily vote for. Diane, not so much.

    The only real difference between the Sane and the Insane, in this world, is the Sane have the power to have the Insane locked up. -- HST

    by Elmer McJimsey on Fri May 27, 2005 at 11:43:28 AM PDT

  •  Iposted this on the openthread (4.00 / 2)

    but it works here
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    I'm not so liberal that I unwaveringly support capitulators.

    by hfiend on Fri May 27, 2005 at 11:55:06 AM PDT

  •  Assume the Worst (none / 1)

    Assume that what they are doing is despicable and unconstitutional and intended to promote fascism and not to protect us from any genuine terrorists.

    Assume that the Democrats have been blackmailed or bribed into acquiescing in this latest rape of our liberties, and that the Republican supporters are essentially fascist.

    Am I wrong?  Maybe.  Then let the Senators prove that I am wrong.

    "A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

    by proudtinfoilhat on Fri May 27, 2005 at 12:28:41 PM PDT

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