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Pepper Sprayed, Tasered and Determined in New Orleans

Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 10:41:02 AM PDT

There was a tornado warning on Thursday, December 20th, with a cool front marching down south. The tornado that touched down though, was the incredible spirit, will and determination of those fighting for public, and affordable housing in this city, and taking on the NOPD and New Orleans City Council in the process.

We were prepared, Thursday, to challenge what we already knew would go down: the vote in the affirmative by the New Orleans City Council to demolish over 4000 units of critical, public and affordable housing in New Orleans. Our intent was to keep the meeting from happening, to prevent the vote, by peaceful, but loud, raucous protest. There was no intent to commit violence. Many of us were quite willing to be arrested. One of the principles decided on by public housing residents in this struggle is that it will be a non-violent struggle.

There were not now, nor have there ever been, plans to commit violence by any of our people. However, when people are physically attacked by police, sometimes you fight back. You can call it instinct, survival, or foolhardy, call it what you will, but human nature being what it is, sometimes people fight back.  The first punch was thrown by the NOPD however, which you can observe by watching the above video.

I was one of those locked out that day. I brought my camera, fully intending to document even though locked out. We were behind and to the side of council chambers, locked out by virtue of a pair of handcuffs on the gate that encloses a covered driveway behind the chambers.

Police lined that covered driveway, and we knew there were significant numbers in the chambers. We received phone reports that our colleagues had prevented the meeting from beginning, by chanting and shouting and demanding that those locked out be allowed in.

Suddenly, from the outside, we saw at least 10 police officers rush into the building. We knew it was going down inside. We all began to scream and some of us shook the gate violently. We wanted in to help defend our sisters and brothers.

Several officers converged on the gate. We continued shouting to let us in, as we saw our friends and colleagues dragged out of the back of the chambers and into paddywagons in handcuffs. Some of our sisters and brothers shouted at us defiantly to "keep it up."

Soon, someone shook the gate violently enough to break the handcuffs easily. Several pulled the gate open, but the police converged right there at the opening. Someone was immediately arrested. There were no punches thrown at officers, no objects were hurled to hurt officers or anyone else. But there was raucous shouting and determination to keep that gate open.

A woman I know, a skilled activist who has spinal injuries from abuse by the police, hobbled to the side of the gate and positioned herself between the police and the rest of us. Several others were attempting to hold the gate open.

That was when the pepper spraying began. I was at the front of the group with others, right up against the gate, and we got the first full face full of pepper spray.

Believe me folks, this is some nasty shit. I and others immediately turned and ran, by instinct, and begged people for water to pour over our faces. The pepper spray is a form of chemical torture: our faces turned red, mine began peeling almost immediately, and when the stuff leaked in our eyes, all we could do is stumble and blink.

The jostling continued at the front of the gate, with events happening quickly. My activist, disabled friend was yanked to the ground by the NOPD and tasered in three different places on her body. Unfortunately, one jolt landed on a vertebrae, and cracked it. She has a neck cast now, but is still determined, and functioning fairly well.

Another young woman who was trying to hold the gate open was tasered, and in the below video you can see her fall to the ground, then several people struggling to pick her up and move her while being doused with pepper spray.

This young woman went into convulsions and began to turn blue. I watched as luckily, an EMT who was in the crowd, turned her on her side and kept her mouth clear. She began to breath again. Some of us went up to the ambulance parked on the street in front of city hall, just steps away,  and pounded on the doors, but no one was inside. It took several minutes, way too long, for an ambulance to answer our distress call for this young woman.

Several people called Common Ground, and they responded within 30 to 45 minutes, bringing several gallons of milk to the sight. We all began to apply the milk to our faces. Milk is a natural antidote to pepper spray. The burning on our faces, hands and in our eyes began to taper off.

The Times Picayune reported the next day that we had been prepared for trouble, because we already had the milk ready to go.  This was completely false. We weren't prepared for pepper spray or tasers, and it took, as I said, 30 to 45 minutes for milk to arrive.

Soon the mounted police arrived and they positioned themselves just behind the now locked gate. We all began tending the wounded, and ourselves, and some continued chanting and shouting through a bullhorn.

The local news media was on top of the story, and indeed, some of them were sprayed with pepper spray as well. WWL-TV has the best coverage and video, and were the only local station, to my knowledge, that reported the serious injuries sustained by the young woman who went into convulsions after being tasered.

At least two people inside city council chambers, we learned later, were tasered also. It should be noted as well, that there was an attempt to keep several African American public housing residents out of the meeting. They were allowed in only after others came to advocate for them, including Tracy Washington, one of the attorneys on the lawsuit to reopen public housing.

15 people were arrested that day. One of my colleagues was arrested and charged with a felony, inciting a riot.

I was arrested a couple days before, after reoccupying a building, peacefully, at the B.W. Cooper Housing Development. The charges against me and my colleagues from actions that day are serious, as they are attempting to stifle the grass roots movement, and in particular, the white activists who are supporting and protesting for the reopening of public housing in New Orleans. Below is a short documentary on our reoccupation that day.

Demolitions are ongoing at the B.W. Cooper Housing Development. While reoccupying the building, I noted the strength of the interior of those apartments. They are constructed like bomb bunkers, composed of concrete and brick, and do not need gutting to reopen. The belongings of the residents were still inside of the building, including clothes still on their hangers, personal papers and mail scattered about the vandalized and looted apartments.

I think the Los Angeles Times had an excellent, concise report of events inside of City Council Chambers that day:

The fate of the 4,500 public housing units has become a flash point as this city struggles to piece itself back together after Hurricane Katrina damaged more than 134,000 homes, many of them in poor, mostly black neighborhoods.

Tents line the Interstate 10 underpass and a homeless camp has settled outside City Hall.

Even before New Orleans' seven City Council members took their seats for the public meeting, protesters were booing and pumping their fists.

"Why y'all standing behind the curtains?" a woman called out to council members who waited at the back of the council chambers for protesters to calm down. "This ain't no stage show! Get out from behind those curtains and tell us why you want to demolish our homes."

The hearing was, in many ways, political theater. Protesters, who complained that many residents had been locked out of the packed public meeting, fought with police almost immediately.

City Council members -- some sipping water, others leafing through file folders -- looked on impassively as a man was tasered, handcuffed and dragged from the council chambers.

Outside, dozens of locked-out people tried to force their way through iron gates and clashed with police, who used pepper spray and stun guns on them.

The Homeless Encampment across from City Hall in Duncan Plaza, btw, was dismantled the next day, in what is to be planned demolition of an adjacent building. Many of the homeless have moved under the I-10 overpass where a huge tent city is exploding.

I visited Duncan Plaza the next day, and noted that for some reason, workers had left up a Christmas tree that the homeless had set up and decorated on the gazebo in Duncan Plaza. There were a couple of abandoned tents, and we spoke to three homeless people who were wandering around; at least two were members of the Homeless Pride organization that formed around this encampment.

A very large flock of birds were circling, rapidly, City Hall and Duncan Plaza, now emptied of the homeless and activists defending housing. The large flock circled again and again, as though paying homage to the souls now displaced from the area. For a time, we had Duncan Plaza, we had City Hall, through sheer will and determination, we had her in spirit.

Demolition is scheduled to begin at the C.J. Pete Development within a few days. That is my update for now.
Further video footage of events that day, including close-up footage of people being tasered:

http://www.defendneworleanspublichou...

Tags: New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina, public housing, affordable housing, homeless, Rescued (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  Thanks for the report (7+ / 0-)

    n/t

    "Of course your need to consume is an exception due to your incredibly challenging circumstances."

    by Topaz7 on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 10:50:18 AM PDT

  •  Those policemen didn't want people (5+ / 0-)

    close enough to see or film what they were going to do. This looks like some thrid world country and not the America I grew up in.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 11:04:04 AM PDT

  •  The trials and tribulations... (0+ / 0-)

    of professional activists.

    I recommend for the well-written diary, not necessarily the view espoused within.  Holding back progress is not the way to get New Orleans back on its feet.

    "New New Orleans, same as the old New Orleans", is not desirable for the city, the state, or even the country.

    •  Right, demolition of sound bldgs so KBR can build (5+ / 0-)

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      shitty replacement high cost-overrun housing is the American way. It's one thing for NOLA corruption is kept to themselves but the rest of us are going to be paying for a lot of this goat f*ck. Rebuilding these buildings would employ local workers but the factory built and trucked in roof trusses and walls in the replacements wll not.

      Personal Freedoms: Born 1215. Wounded 2001. Died 2006. Resurrected: 2009

      by OHdog on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 11:37:23 AM PDT

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      •  To say nothing of the fact that (5+ / 0-)

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        at least one of these housing complexes needs to be on the National Historic Register. From what I have read rebuilding what is there makes much better economic sense all the way around. The problem with rehabbing is it doesn't help one bit in the gentrification of NOLA.

        •  And it leaves thousands without homes. (6+ / 0-)

          There is no 1-to-1 replacement. People were ordered to leave their homes, not allowed to return and now only 18% of the low-income families that lived in these neighborhoods will be allowed into the "new improved New Orleans."

          I can't wait to see how the HANO officials decide which families have the right to return to their old/new neighborhood.

          And I wonder how many tasers it will take to make the other families stay away.

          Try my dream: President Obama

          by MrSandman on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 12:33:44 PM PDT

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          •  Why 1 to 1 replacement? What thousands? (0+ / 0-)

            Why do we need 1 to 1 replacement when 2000 units were unoccupied even before Katrina, and a significant number of people aren't interested in coming back?

            Again, trying to put things back the way they were before Katrina isn't doing NO any favors.  The city council is using this chance to redo things the right way, and they should be congratulated.

            •  Even if ... (3+ / 0-)

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              ... ... the City Council were composed of seven unqualified saints, I would still be suspicious.  This project is being paid for with federal money and both HUD and FEMA will be involved.  Given their record, I am not optimistic.

              I don't think anyone is saying that NOLA should be the "way things were before" when it comes to public housing.

              1 to 1 replacement is what has been promised in the Providence/Enterprise plan.  I doubt that will happen.  And not because "a significant number of people" aren't interested in coming back (a questionable notion to begin with).

              The City Council will have to deal with federal agencies who have proven over and over again that they wish to keep the money in the "family" (i.e., Halliburton, et al.).  Unless transparency is the rule rather than the exception, I see no reason why that won't happen again.

              Regardless of what kind of plan anyone advocates for public housing, the demolition and rebuilding, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, needs to be set out for the citizens of New Orleans in a transparent fashion.  I don't think that's going to "just happen" without a real national outcry for that transparency.

              •  Seriously - (0+ / 0-)

                New Orleans is simply one of the most corrupt cities in the country historically.

                You might as well ask for it to rain chocolate.

                Many of the people I know who live in NO aren't happy with how the protests turned violent, but they are more unhappy with people who don't live there telling them how to run their business. They want to heal in peace, and that should be respected - which is something the out of town 'professional activists' should consider.

                •  Yes, seriously. (4+ / 0-)

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                  I'd like nothing better than for the folks in New Orleans to be left alone to heal in peace.  I respect that more than you could imagine.

                  I'm well aware of the local feelings towards the "professional activists."  The fact is, the story of public housing in New Orleans and the unanimous vote to demolish the public housing would never have been a top story on the news had those "professional activists" not made it so.

                  I think locals in New Orleans feel many different ways about the activists. I have read NOLA posters here at Daily Kos as well as NOLA bloggers say otherwise than what you are hearing from your friends.  It isn't that simple.

                  As far as corruption in New Orleans, I have no expertise in that matter and I don't blog about it because of that.  I do read the NOLA blogs every day and try to learn as much as I can.

                  I'm speaking here of the federal government, PopeFlick -- and the incompetence, cronyism and sheer disrespect for poor and middle class folks by HUD is hardly a secret.

                  That part of it is a national issue.  It's federal tax dollars going to the demolition and rebuilding.  If we don't try to find out what is actually happening on the ground there it is guaranteed that the people of New Orleans will be ill served.  The traditional media sure won't cover it unless it's more "professional activists" who make a lot of noise.

                  So it's up to grass roots, bloggers, whoever will take the time to try to find out the truth.

                  •  I'm NOT... (2+ / 0-)

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                    ...trying to turn this into a black and white issued affair, and I get where you're coming from.

                    I'm usually good on events, but there are so many contradictory facts floating out there, I've turned to the best source (that I have) in cases like these: actual residents in the city.

                    And in some cases, they are unappreciative and feel like you're making things worse, not better, by fanning tensions in an already overly tense city.

                    Google up Tammany Hall for a little history on Nawlins politics.

                    •  PopeFlick ... (5+ / 0-)

                      ... I'm from New York City, you don't need to talk to me about local corruption.

                      That's the problem, there are "so many contradictory facts floating out there."  And I also have turned to actual residents in the city as well - including folks I know personally from having visited there so often -- but mostly the NOLA blogs and NOLA Kossaks.

                      You tell me, PopeFlick, should I just ignore what's happening in New Orleans and throw up my hands, figure "oh well, I'm only going to make things worse if I say anything, so I won't say anything at all"?  Hasn't that been the problem since the federal flood, that too many folks have turned away and not gotten involved (and I include our traditional media in that as well)?

                      There's no easy answer, I know.  I've been blogging about NOLA for over a year, and before that I learned as much as I could so that I would not make things worse.

                      Amid all the anger at the activists (and not all of them were from outside New Orleans, of course), there is one constituency who has been underrepresented, and that's the folks who were evicted from public housing and sent into exile.  Who would be speaking for them, I ask you, if these annoying activists weren't?  And don't they also deserve the opportunity to heal in peace?

                      I wish I had a better answer for you.  I will continue to blog about this.  I will be as respectful as I can, but I won't stop writing about this.

                    •  I'm an actual resident of New Orleans... (8+ / 0-)

                      and I can tell you, that there is much suffering here. The human rights violations are unbelievable. I meant to link to Naomi Klein's short article on what went down Thursday. Here it is, and a quote from the article:

                      The final showdown over New Orleans public housing is playing out in dramatic fashion right now. The conflict is a classic example of the “triple shock” formula at the core of the doctrine.

                      First came the shock of the original disaster: the flood and the traumatic evacuation.
                      Next came the “economic shock therapy”: using the window of opportunity opened up by the first shock to push through a rapid-fire attack on the city’s public services and spaces, most notably it’s homes, schools and hospitals.
                      Now we see that as residents of New Orleans try to resist these attacks, they are being met with a third shock: the shock of the police baton and the Taser gun, used on the bodies of protestors outside New Orleans City Hall yesterday.
                      Democracy Now! has been covering this fight all week, with amazing reports from filmmakers Jacquie Soohen and Rick Rowley (Rick was arrested in the crackdown). Watch residents react to the bulldozing of their homes here.

                      And footage from yesterday’s police crackdown and Tasering of protestors inside and outside city hall here.

                    •  Actual Resident (7+ / 0-)

                      I have been watching this homeless situation play out for 6 months, watching people living house to house on sofas and air mattresses, watching people tricked out poison trailers to hotel, only to end up on the street.  I have property, but it cannot meet HUD standards without me going seriously into debt. Why the hell can't that be fixed?

                      30,000 people come out of FEMA trailers in April and thousands more loose their FEMA housing voucher that is to transition into another type of voucher in June.  This needed to be fixed 2 years ago, not in another 2 years.  It is a crisis and the "professional activists" got the attention of the world.  How many houses would have been gutted, how many people treated in FREE medical clinics, how many legal problems (Road Home) resolved if it were not for this "professional hippie activists"?  What a republican talking point?

                •  Outsiders? Who do you think builds the units? (3+ / 0-)

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                  Designs them?
                  Finances them?
                  Determines who will live in them?

                  Answer: not locals, not even the locals in HANO will be fully in control since it was taken over by HUD years ago because it was so totally corrupt and inept.

                  So outside activists join the protests and they are thought to be the problem. Well, who do you think will benefit most in the redevelopment?

                  Out of town business people. And those out of towners will determine how the locals run their business because they will control the money. And they will be governed by a spreadsheet, not the will or desires or the needs of the local residents.

                  I hope I'm wrong; I think I'm not.

                  Try my dream: President Obama

                  by MrSandman on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 02:26:40 PM PDT

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                •  Mission Accomplished (2+ / 0-)

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                  The homeless problem has been exposed not only in NOLA, but across the entire country.  Just like Katrina exposed Bush and the republican crony crooks for what they are, the results of the devastation of the American economy has come home to haunt us all.

            •  City Council (3+ / 0-)

              They are either being blackmailed or are part of the greed.  I choose blackmail, because the crook Alphone Jackson and the other crook Donald Powell threated to withold housing funds if these buildings are not destroyed.  This bunch of crooks is not going to release funds to reapair damage caused by the failure of the FEDERAL levees under the Army Corp of Engineers unless their cronies get a piece of the action.

          •  Exactly! The new and improved New Orleans? (2+ / 0-)

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            No, New Orleans is what it is, what they are wanting to make is something completely different. They have to know how difficult this is for these families, they just don't care. So what if they get vouchers for the time being, the families all know the day is coming when they will be homeless for good and forever.

      •  Land Grab (4+ / 0-)

        St. Bernard=52 acres
        Cooper=55 acres
        Peete=41 1/2 acres
        Lafite=28 acres

        Where else in America can you acquire this much land acreage?

        Lafite is salvagable.  Several months ago there were rumors of film studios close or part of Lafite.  It makes sense because that would be close to a theater district that is planned and talked about openly.

        There is to be a court/legal district and a medical district.  Homes in these areas are changing hands, being condemed or bulldozered.  

        What will happen when they take down the VA and Charity?

    •  "Professional Activists" (3+ / 0-)

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      Thank god for these people.  Are you aware that HUD "clients" are not allowed to speak out, it violates their contract?

      Who wants to come to NOLA and party when you have such a pathetic situation?  

      FYI, prior to Katrina the only homeless problem we had in NOLA was winos and even they could find cheap housing.

    •  Holding back progress, brouski? (2+ / 0-)

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      What is the basis for your claim?

      This NYT architectural critic vigorously disagrees with your position.
      http://www.nytimes.com/...
      By Nicolai Ouroussoff

  •  Thank you, scorpiorising (5+ / 0-)

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    for this account of what happened at the protest.  Thank you for your bravery and citizen activism.  I can't imagine how painful that pepper spray and tasering must have felt.  Good for you to fight against such injustice. The "free market" crony vulture capitalists are doing to New Orleans what they've done to so many other cities and countries after the shock and awe of catastrophe.  

    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

    by rlharry on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 12:20:24 PM PDT

  •  what's next? (0+ / 0-)

    I'm coming on down at the end of January.  What's next?

    •  We're not sure... (2+ / 0-)

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      Some of us feel that to raise the issue to an even greater level, we are going to have to physically block the bulldozers. We've already done that, with limited success. We'll need many more people. If you feel you want to get involved, drop me a line: yocandra42@hotmail.com

      We need people to help on many levels, btw, not just direct action.

      •  Bitter Vitter (1+ / 0-)

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        What about a picket at his house?  He really is the monster behind the situation.  It is a way to wedge Mary Landrieu.  What is not understood is that lies, fear and misinformation is repetitively dished out by the local media, in particular WWL radio and the Times Picayune.  There is constant reminders to the white doughy Yat boys who feel they lost their rightful place in NOLA jobs and goverment due to the civil rights movement.  The media is tapping that hatred.  They do not understabd their property could be next, particularly if it is in one of the Go Zone Enterprise Districts.

  •  Are you from Nawlins or a visitor there for this? (0+ / 0-)

    nt

  •  this should be on the rec list (n/t) (3+ / 0-)

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  •  How far does the right to protest go? (0+ / 0-)

    This episode did not reflect well on anyone.  True, many people disagreed with the outcome of the vote that the City Council was taking, but does that justify trying to shut down City government?  According to scorpiorising, the express purpose of the protest was to "keep the meeting from happening" and "prevent the vote."  With that stated purpose, it was probably foreseeable that those trying to "keep the meeting from happening" would be removed from, or not allowed in, the meeting so that the meeting could, in fact, go forward. Most people belive that dissenters have a right to try to make their voices heard by their elected officials. Fewer people would agree that dissenters have a right to shut down City government when the dissenters disagree with the actions of elected officials.

    •  Unjust laws and unjust decisions... (5+ / 0-)

      Must be protested. We knew we couldn't stop the vote forever, but we wanted to make a point. Without public housing, New Orleans will never be the same. And...there are efforts to expropriate and potentially demolish whole neighborhoods, not just public housing.

      It is a war here and the average citizen is under attack.

      •  No one disputes the right to protest (0+ / 0-)

        Or the right of those who opposed the demolition to be heard.  I have lived here all my life and know the emotions on both sides.  You know, of course, that there are different opinions on this issue.  During the meeting (once it was allowed to take place), some public housing residents (including the president of the C.J. Peete Residents' association) spoke in favor of demolition, some spoke passionately against. New Orleanians welcome this kind of civil discussion and we welcome people from all over the country who want to make New Orleans a better place for all residents.  Most local people, however, were not happy with video going out all over the country that showed people in the Council meeting trying to shout down the Council and trying to use disruptive tactics to prevent the meeting from even taking place.  The Council meeting itself was not "unjust" -- these were duly elected officials exercising their authority as elected officials.  Disagreement -- however passionate -- with the lawful actions of legitimately elected government officials cannot not justify an attempt to disrupt or shut down City government, or government would never be allowed to function. If the actions of government officials are unlawful, there are remedies in the judiciary.  It was clear from the video you posted (and from other video) that the protestors were not going to be silent so as to allow the Council meeting to go forward.  It could not be a surprise to the protestors that people who tried to shout down the Council and shut down the meeting were removed from the meeting by the police.

        •  Several points I want to make. (6+ / 0-)

          First of all, I appreciate your dialogue.

          I have been working on this issue since 6mos before Katrina.

          The resident council leaders are all bought out by HANO. They are paid a salary, and have been promised the first units. They are essentially, paid organizers for HANO.

          This is not unusual. This is how HUD operates in the various cities in regards to public housing. This is how people are divided and conquered. The residents do not trust the tenant council, and the councils do not have the best interests of the residents at heart.

          Far fewer units will be built to replace those that will be demolished. Our city is frayed at the edges, and is coming apart. Look at the homeless population exploding. Look at the mentally ill being arrested and housed at OPP (orleans parish prison), because Charity Hospital was closed by the state, a closure sanctioned by the feds.

          Look at the closure of FEMA trailer parks, at a time when people have not yet found adequate housing. In April, FEMA disaster vouchers will be cut off, prompting another wave of homelessness.

          No, we can't afford to lose a single unit of public housing. The real goal here, is to ethnically and class cleanse the city. I had a friend "infiltrate" a so-called flood summit with all of the important politicians attending.

          John Kennedy, the state secretary of the treasurey, spelled out the agenda clearly: to attract a higher income citizen. Affordable housing was mentioned once ("we need it for the workers"), and no mention at all of the ongoing housing and human rights crisis in our city in regards to the lack of housing and medical care for the indigent (including mental health care).

          To the detriment of the entire city, our "leaders", and some citizens, are in purposeful or accidental denial of the extent of the crisis here.

          •  I appreciate the dialogue as well. (0+ / 0-)

            I am not in any way questioning your passion for this subject, and I would not question your conviction that demolition of the housing projects is the wrong thing to do. I understand the emotions that go with losing one's home -- I lost my home to Katrina, as did my parents, and my in-laws. I was disagreeing with a tactic the protestors used -- trying to shout down the Council and trying to prevent a City Council meeting from taking place.  It's a question of degree -- how far can a protest go and still be a legitimate protest?  Is it legitimate or lawful protest to try to shut down City government?  Is that kind of action helpful to one's cause?  I hope that the protestors could have made their point without trying to disrupt and shut down the Council meeting.  The video of the disruptions at the Council meeting, which was broadcast all across the country, did not, as far as I can tell, help sway local opinion in favor of the protestors. It also was not a positive image for this City.  

            •  Broadcast Worldwide (1+ / 0-)

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              If the city council is worried about the repubtation of the city then they should be negotiating with the citizens of NOLA as well as the crooks.

            •  We've been advocating this issue since before... (3+ / 0-)

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              Katrina. We went before the city council on this very issue for the last two years, several times, numerous times. They weren't, and aren't, hearing the seriousness of the situation. What do you do after you've appealed to the council, had private meetings with individual members, marched to Stacy Head's home twice, marched to Mayor Nagin's home twice, countless press conferences, pickets, demonstrations, appeals, letters, hearings, testimony.

              It all fell on deaf ears. What we had left, was to make as striking an impression and point as possible this past Thursday. We accomplished this. This council and mayor are doing real harm to people, possibly killing people with their policies. Did I include the federal and state government in that? Closure of Charity Hospital in just one egregious, deliberate act that is harming people, as is the continued closure of public housing.

              At this point, we are not worried about "positive images for the city". We are worried about the lives of people, our fellow residents.

          •  John Kennedy (1+ / 0-)

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            This is all about republican politics, Kennedy is making his bones with the greedy crooks to be the man that gets Mary Landrieu.

        •   "video going out all over the country" (1+ / 0-)

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          Well then the council should have had a pow wow about poverty because the damage has been done and conventions are starting to cancel.  One thing to remember is that the council went through Katrina and probably suffer the PTSD we all exhibit and may not be thinking clearly.  The Bush/republican crony system is taking advantage of people who are trying to put their lives and their city back together again.

        •  "video going out all over the country " (0+ / 0-)

          Then the city council should have had a poverty and housing pow wow before stirring the emotions.  The city council are also victims of Katrina and probably suffer the same PTSD we all deal with.  The Bush/republican crony crooks are taking advantage of people who are trying to rebuild their lives and their city.  Typical republican way!

      •  "potentially demolish whole neighborhoods" (1+ / 0-)

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        Scorpiorising,

        This is what people do not understand.  It can and will happen to them.  The City Council and Nagin are being intimidated and manipulated.  One reason that Oliver Thomas had to go and was probably set up.  $15,000 is chump change in comparison what is floating around NOLA.

      •  Kudos on this Diary. n/t (2+ / 0-)

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        I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

        by Meteor Blades on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 11:36:33 PM PDT

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    •  Sunshine Laws (2+ / 0-)

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      LA has sunshine laws and the council stacked the meeting room with their employees and cronies.  Anybody try to identify the people in the videos, could be the greedy may be ID'd.

      •  Interesting you point that out... (3+ / 0-)

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        In the last video I linked to, it clearly shows Sharon Jasper, a resident of the St. Bernard Housing Development, and a strong activist, being locked out of the meeting, initially. Then several people, including Tracy Washington and Sess with PHRF, and her daughter, Kawana, step up and defend her right to be in the meeting.

  •  i (0+ / 0-)

    I don't doubt that there is racism involved in the destruction of the projects and i see the point about the housing shortage, but at the end of the day public housing projects have to be destroyed, projects are one of the worst government programs ever.

    •  Projects (3+ / 0-)

      Well, what about assisted living or nursing homes?  There are many disabeled and elderly people that need housing with help and monitoring, but still independent living.  It seems that some of these buildings would suit the purpose.  Designated community buildings within the development could be utilized for child care, medical and educational needs.  It does not have to be an either or situation, it just takes planning.

    •  You don't say why... (3+ / 0-)

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      they are so bad. Is it because of crime? Most of public housing is closed in New Orleans, and crime has sky-rocketed. surely you aren't suggesting that home ownership, that american dream that is currently crashing, is the answer to public housing.

      •  It's prejudice, but it's not prejudice against (0+ / 0-)

        blacks or any particular minority.  It's a professional prejudice on the part of city planners and bureaucrats which tells them that large numbers of people living in  close proximity to each other spawn crime and social disorder.  Therefor, they have been trying for three decades to disperse the population.
        They're doing the self-same thing in Baghdad, where they're practicing how to respond to what they call "urban guerrilla warfare."
        While it's true that there is crime in the projects, the fact that there's less obvious crime in densely settled areas like Park Avenue in New York merely convinces them that "some people are different and not equipped to live right," rather than telling them that the real difference is in the level of services and maintenance that's never provided in public housing.  If public apartment buildings were staffed with doormen round the clock, a regular cleaning crew, on-call plumbers and electricians, etc., then these facilities would be just as "livable" as the one's on Park Avenue.
        What I'd suggest is that, in addition to protesting, the demolition, your groups start developing lists of specific projects you want to see accomplished.  You can start with regular trash pick-up, street sweeping, pest control (including rats), street-light replacement, street sign replacement, clean up of vacant property, garden plots for vegetable production by neighborhood residents, space for a farmer's market (with signage and a regular schedule).
        Public officials tend to believe that if people don't complain about specific deficits and demand that they be fixed that they don't mind putting up with sub-standard conditions and THEREFOR don't deserve to have them corrected.  You need to take that mind-set into account and demand what needs to be done.  Humility is admirable virtue, but it doesn't work with bureaucrats.

        Republicans are republicans because they expect to be told what to do.  So tell them.

        How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

        by hannah on Mon Dec 24, 2007 at 12:35:10 PM PDT

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      •  becuase (0+ / 0-)

        its becuase most projects are designed like reservations, its just mostly buildings designed to house people and to segregate them from society,

        if you look at the projects in NO and in other cities, there is no retail activity, you cant even open up a flower shop or a doctor's office. So basically you have a lot poor, uneducated people stacked on top of each other with no real way to progress economically

        and actually I am suggesting that home ownership is the key, if they owned their own homes they wouldnt be kicked out of their own homes and under the control and whims of government officials

        IMO the government shouldn't build housing that people arent going to own eventually

        i dont see what crime going up has to do with wether projects area good idea or not, crime was high in the projects before katrina so its dumb to put people in the same situation they where at back then

    •  NOLA's among the best examples of public housing (3+ / 0-)

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      Your position directly contradicts that of the architectural critic at The New York Times who wrote:

      Arguing that the housing was barely livable before the flooding unleashed by Hurricane Katrina, federal officials have cast their decision as good social policy. They have sought to lump the projects together with the much-vilified inner-city projects of the 1960s.

      But such thinking reflects a ruthless indifference to local realities. The projects in New Orleans have little to do with the sterile brick towers and alienating plazas that usually come to mind when we think of inner-city housing . Some rank among the best early examples of public housing built in the United States, both in design and in quality of construction.

      On the contrary, it is the government’s tabula rasa approach that evokes the most brutal postwar urban-renewal strategies. Neighborhood history is deemed irrelevant; the vague notion of a "fresh start" is invoked to justify erasing entire communities.

      This mentality also threatens other public buildings in New Orleans that can be considered 20th-century landmarks. If the government gets its way, a rich architectural legacy will be supplanted by private, mixed-income developments with pitched roofs and wood-frame construction, an ersatz vision of small-town America. That this could happen in a city that still largely lies in ruins is both sad and grotesque.

      The rest of this informative article:
      December 19, 2007
      Architecture
      High Noon in New Orleans: The Bulldozers Are Ready
      By NICOLAI OUROUSSOFF
      is at:
      http://www.nytimes.com/...

      •  Also at NYT link on NOLA housing projects (2+ / 0-)

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        are two video screen presentations narrated by architecture critic Nicolai Ouroussoff who presents photographic evidence that the low-income housing that the Bush regime is destroying in New Orleans-- with the consent of City Council-- is of very high quality both in terms of attractiveness and durability. Ouroussoff takes the position that it is a great mistake to destroy this solid brick housing that has withstood hurricanes because the housing is needed and it is artistically worthy of preservation. Please watch the videos. (I see no direct links.)

        http://www.nytimes.com/...

      •  lol (0+ / 0-)

        I think discussing architecture shows that the real issues around projects and public housing are going over your head or maybe we are having different conversations.

        FYI

        projects = reservations

        I dont really care about the architecture, the issues are about economics or lack there of

  •  Thank you and good luck (1+ / 0-)

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    And yes, pepper spray hurts like... organ failure and worse than organ failure.

    Liberty - Mother, not daughter, of Order

    by Mike Erwin on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 10:54:03 PM PDT

  •  scorpiorising--this is terrific report. thank you (1+ / 0-)

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    Yours is an excellent report both for reporting the detail and the fightback.

    I am fast coming to the conclusion that diaries "exposing" the criminal regime in Washington are no longer useful. We need know no more on that level.

    What is needed are stories like this that you have written of people fighting back against government injustice.

    This fightback is inspirational and viral. I want it to spread to every city and hamlet.

    Thank you for leading this fight and for being a terrific role model. The activity you report represents the future.


  •  Destruction of valuable public property (3+ / 0-)

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    Fromm a Feb 22 NYT report on the value of the unique public housing in New Orleans-- that Republicans are in such a hurry to destroy.
    My friends, this makes no sense, no sense at all.

    ... In order to implement the demolition plan, both agencies must comply with a section of the National Historic Preservation Act that requires an appraisal of the historic significance of any building more than 50 years old. But they have largely ignored testimony from of a long list of preservationists, including the Louisiana Landmarks Society and a local representative of the National Trust for Historic Preservation.

    In arguing to save the buildings, preservationists point to the human scale of the apartment complexes, whose pitched slate roofs, elegant brickwork and low-rise construction reflect a subtle understanding of the city’s historical context without slavishly mimicking it.

    Tellingly, neither housing agency has closely examined alternatives to demolition, like renovating some buildings in the complexes and replacing others. Although the Housing Authority of New Orleans says that modernizing existing developments would cost more than building new housing, it has yet to release cost breakdowns or the source of the figures. John Fernandez, an architecture professor at M.I.T. who examined all four of the complexes, has suggested that the extent of the storm’s damage has been overstated.

    The housing agencies’ tabula rasa planning mentality recalls the worst aspects of the postwar Modernist agenda, which substituted a suburban model of homogeneity for an urban one of diversity. The proposal for "traditional-style" pastel houses, set in neat little rows on uniform lots, is a model of conformity that attacks the idea of the city as a place where competing values coexist.

    This is reinforced by the plan’s tendency to isolate the new housing from the rest of the city. Often arranged along dead-end cul-de-sacs, the proposed developments lack the mix of big and small buildings, residential apartments and retail shops that could weave them into the surrounding urban fabric.

    The point is not to return people to the same housing conditions that existed before Hurricane Katrina, but to distinguish between failures of social policy and design policy. Architects can’t determine the economic mix of residents in public housing developments nor provide education and health services. Their job is to give physical form to social and cultural values.

    In this city that should begin with a fair appraisal of existing housing. With its low scale, narrow footprint and high-quality construction, for example, the 1940s Lafitte development, one of the four complexes slated for demolition, cannot be compared to Desire, a generic, shoddily constructed housing block, built more than a decade later. Some have suggested carving new roads through existing developments to anchor them more firmly into the surrounding neighborhoods.

    Solutions like this might preclude the violent bulldozing of neighborhoods in a city so short of housing. A willingness to make case by case historical distinctions would result in a more historically layered urban composition, one that could, eventually, include contemporary architectural ideas as well.

    For that to happen, however, HUD needs to listen to the preservationists who have taken the time to examine the value of the city’s public housing stock. It might also consider tapping into a higher level of creative intelligence. ...

    ...
    If some feel nostalgia for places like Lafitte, it is partly because it embodies a time when America still seemed capable of a more hopeful vision, one in which architecture, planning and social policy collaborated to create a more decent society.

    Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    Look at the picture of the buildings and consider why the bush regime wants to destroy this attractive and sturdy housing:
    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    One of the complexes scheduled for demolition, the Lafitte housing project is ranked by some among the best public housing of its era.

    •  We've gotten some help from democrats... (3+ / 0-)

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      but none from local leaders of the democratic party (the politicians). I hold both parties responsible. Clinton, while president, changed the one to one replacement rule regarding public housing. THis resulted in wholesale destruction of public housing from the mid-90's and on.

      By funding Hope vl, the democrats are very complicit in the war against public housing. In a way, by denying funding for hope vl, the republicans have slowed its destruction.

      Our help has come mainly from Maxine Waters, btw.

      •  what is Hope vl? (0+ / 0-)

        from what the NYT critic indicated, some public housing like Cabrini in Chicago and others built during the '60s was ugly and needed to be torn down but that the housing targeted in NOLA is in an entirely exceptional class.

        Thanks for your detailed account of this fight, and for the video that demonstrated up close what was at issue. I'm sorry you have charges filed against you, and for the pepper spraying and tasering. They really don't want people fighting back for their rights.

        You didn't indicate if you need money for lawyers and so on. If you do, reach me at my listed email address and I will write that diary asking people to kick in.


    •  The explanation is that there is (1+ / 0-)

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      a long tradition of public officials "doling" out public assets in order to create private wealth.  Think grazing rights, mining rights, water rights, fishing rights, development rights, etc.  In other words, they're only doing what they've always done, but now the public is paying attention and getting information about what's being done in their names.  
      Most of us probably didn't appreciate the significance of government in the sunshine laws and FIOA which enable citizens to monitor and audit local and national government.  It's my position that much of the push for privatization in the eighties and nineties was largely motivated by a desire to move public functions out of the public lime-light and back behind the closed doors of the boardroom where deal could be made without having to answer to the great unwashed.
      Of course, the transfer of such assets as hospitals and clinics and power plants and streetcar lines was always promoted as a cost-saving measure.  But the bottom line was that public assets were transfered into private pockets and the increased level of service never materialized.
      It's hard for people exercising their civil rights and duties to realize how much their doing that is resented by the ruling elite.  And, by the way, the sentiment is not restricted by color.  There are black "leaders" who are just as resentful at being challenged and they're not at all keen to be deprived of the "privileges" their white counterparts of earlier decades enjoyed.  They resent that the rules seem to change whenever they get their say.  They don't realize that there are new rules everywhere.

      How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

      by hannah on Mon Dec 24, 2007 at 12:49:10 PM PDT

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  •  The buildings are beautiful (4+ / 0-)

    When I first moved to NOLA in 1989 I had never seen a project before, and I thought that they were just the most beautiful apartments I had ever seen.  They were part of the scenery, not something that was forced or trying to look different and appealing.

    The simple fact is, that these buildings are not just standing, but have sustained very minor damage.  Many of the cost estimates to upgrade are due to their condition pre-K, not because of storm-related damage.  

    These are STILL people's homes.  To not allow people in to get their belongings is akin to thievery.  To not allow them to move into functioning safe buildings is in part responsible for the diaspora that continues.

    And for the poster who asked who would move into them, just go look under the overpass and in the parks, and go to any city where displaced New Orleanians are living.  People want to come home.

    My karma ran over my dogma

    by noladq on Mon Dec 24, 2007 at 07:08:40 AM PDT

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